31 January 2025

Sub-Mariner: The Depths

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One big trick I think Marvel is constantly guilty of missing is that they’ve created this huge and popular universe, filled with vibrant characters and a rich history, yet they only really use it to tell superhero stories.  Sub Mariner: The Depths, originally published in five parts under the Marvel Knights banner in 2009, is a rare exception. This claustrophobic psychological thriller, written by Peter Milligan with art by Esad Ribic, is loosely based on Joseph Conrad’s novel Heart of Darkness (which also served as the basis for the film Apocalypse Now), and is one of Marvel’s best comics in recent years.  The tale is a fantastic little examination of what it must be like to live in the Marvel universe, however unlike Kurt Busiek’s Marvels which tackled the same issue, The Depths is more about what we don’t see than what we do.

Set in an art deco Marvel universe before the advent of the super-heroes, Dr Randolph Stein - scientist and ‘professional cynic’ – is hired by the United States government to lead an expedition to establish whether Atlantis, and its protector Namor The Sub-Mariner, is truth or myth.  Stein and his crew launch into the depths in pursuit of Captain Marlowe, a deep sea explorer who has returned to the Marianas Trench following his previous expedition where Marlowe’s crew and wife were mysteriously killed.  As Stein gets closer to Marlowe, and closer to answering the questions about the myth of Atlantis, he borders on the edge of a psychological breakdown in the confines of the submarine and the blackness of the ocean.  As the expedition gets deeper the body count starts to pile up, along with accusations and denials of mysterious sights.


Does Atlantis exist? Is Namor real? I don’t wish to spoil the ending, but the key and the success of the story is ultimately the answers to these questions are irrelevant.  It is the fear of the unknown, the myths, the stories, the rumours that pass from sailor to sailor, which drive the terror of the story.  The possibility that Namor may be real goes against the grain of Stein’s mantra of science and logic, forcing him to tackle his greatest fear – that he may just be wrong for once. Milligan makes full use of this doubt and confusion, the reader questioning as much as the characters as to whether sightings of mysterious sea dwelling creatures are evidence of Namor being real, or just the visions and hallucinations of men pushed to the limit in the most extreme of circumstances.  Cleverly Milligan keeps the action and perspective on the inside of submarines and underwater bases for most of the story.  The deep depths outside are as unknown to the reader as they are to the crew on board, only adding to the sense of claustrophobia and pressure. There are some nice little references in places giving a nod to the ideas and inspirations behind the story; for example the first page opens with a quote from Herman Melville, who’s Captain Ahab pursued the white whale with the same crazed intensity Stein falls into as his pursuit advances, also Marlowe’s submarine is called Plato, name checking the Greek philosopher who questioned the nature of truth.

The lush painted artwork of Ribic is a revelation, using the light and shadow of the dark cramped submarine to express the psychological torment of the characters.  Yet he brings the visibility and brightness up by washing the pages in pastel greens, blues and yellows.  Ribic’s depiction of Namor is truly terrifying, bringing the character back to his original roots as a monster of the deep and protector of Atlantis, rather than the very human looking superhero/villain of more modern portrayals.  The storytelling and page layout is second to none; despite the tricky situation of cramped physical locations and numerous characters he makes scenes perfectly clear and easy to follow (aided superbly by letterer Cory Petit).  Ribic embraces the emptiness of the deep and the few times we do see outside the submarine his less is more approach ties in with the narrative approach completely

It may be ironic that for such a great Marvel comic, there is hardly a recognisable Marvel character in its pages, yet Sub-Mariner: The Depths is a perfect reminder of the power behind the myths and legends Marvel has created over the years.  Milligan and Ribic have created an engaging and engrossing comic the stands up with the very best Marvel have to offer.


26 January 2025

Podcast: Combat Wombat & Cryptids of Leeds: A Celebration of Small Press and Indies

 Available from all your usual podcast providers, or listen here:   

 It's all well and good talking about comics, but they are obviously a visual medium - pretty pictures!  Therefore, to accompany each episode, we also do a little blog post with some images and other extras to give you some context as to what on earth we're talking about! 

Mike and Lee step away from their capitalist overlords and explore some recent small press and independent comic purchases. Lee's fresh from comic convention Thought Bubble and brings titles Hexloader, Badgered and the Space Between the Trees, and Mike contributes Sobek, Cryptids of Leeds, and The Holos.

Plus what Mike and Lee have read this week, another addition to the Comics or Death Museum.


What Have We Been Reading Recently?

Transformers (2024) published by Image Comics
Written by Daniel Warren Johnson
Art by Daniel Warren Johnson (#1-6), Jorge Corona (#7-12), Jason Howard (#13-14)
Colours by Mike Spicer
Lettering by Rus Wooton




Duke (2024) published by Image Comics
Written by Joshua Williamson
Art by Tom Reilly
Colours by Jordie Bellaire
Lettering by Rus Wooton




Cobra Commander
published by Image Comics
Written by Joshua Williamson
Art by Andrea Milana
Colours by Annalisa Leoni
Lettering by Rus Wooton
 


 
Void Rivals (2024) published by Image Comics
Written by Robert Kirkman
Art by Lorenzo De Felici
Colours by Patricio Delpeche & Matheus Lopes


Small Press Round-up

As discussed on the episode many of these comics were purchased at the Thought Bubble comics festival, which you should definitely go to - more info here.  Others were bought from the fantastic shops of Gosh Comics - for more info see this episode/blog - and OK Comics, which you should also definitely go to.

Sobek (2019) published by Shortbox
By James Stokoe


Hex Loader (2021) self-published - available to buy from here
Written by Dan Whitehead
Art by Conor Boyle & Jack Davies
Lettering by Jim Campbell 


Cryptids of Leeds (2024) published by Leeds Comic Collective
Featuring strips by:

Feff Silvers
Flo Woolley
Molly Pukes
Kevin Haworth
James Lawrence
James Patricks
Seren Deacon
Hannah McCann
Joe Eaton
Charlie ellis
Cara Brown
Rob Luckett
Frank Deacon
John J Pearson
THREESIX
Tom Kneeshaw
Ros Murray
Mark Penman


Badgered (2024) self-published - can't find a website to buy from, so if anyone knows of one please let us know!
Written by Chris Aldhous
Art by Oliver Harud
 

 
The Holos (2024) self-published - available to buy from here
Written by James Vincent
Art by Willem Hampson


 
The Space Between the Trees (2023 self-published - his website says sold out, but you can but other books of his here 
By Norm Konyu
 

 I'm a Luddite (And So Can You!) (2024) self-published and available to buy here, but originally printed in The Nib 
By Tom Humberstone
 



 

 


17 January 2025

Podcast: DC's Kingdom Come

 Available from all your usual podcast providers, or listen here:  

 It's all well and good talking about comics, but they are obviously a visual medium - pretty pictures!  Therefore, to accompany each episode, we also do a little blog post with some images and other extras to give you some context as to what on earth we're talking about!

On the show this week Mike and Lee discuss Alex Ross's seminal two fingers to 90's superheroes - Kingdom Come. It's a Mike favourite, but Lee has some qualms that his precious Superman is behaving in a manner not befitting a noble alien. They duel.

Plus what Mike and Lee have read this week, another addition to the Comics or Death Museum.



What Have We Read Recently?

Absolute Batman #1 (2024) published by DC Comics
Written by Scott Snyder
Art by Nick Dragotta
Colours by Frank Martin
Lettering by Clayton Cowles





Absolute Wonder Woman #1 (2024) published by DC Comics
Written by Kelly Thompson
Art by Hayden Sherman
Colours by Jordie Bellaire
Lettering by Becca Carey





The New Mutants #98 3D Edition (originally 1990, 3D version 2024) published by Marvel Comics
Written by Fabian Nicieza and Rob Liefeld
Art by Rob Liefeld
Colours by S Buccallato
Lettering by Joe Rosen
 



Kingdom Come

 
Kingdom Come (1996) published by Marvel Comics 
Written by Mark Waid
Art by Alex Ross
Lettering by Todd Klein






Gosh Comics

As discussed in this episode, Gosh Comics is one of our favourite comics shops.  It's got a deliciously broad range of comics and looks wonderful - like a high-end bookshop.  It can be found at 1 Berwick Street, London, W1F 0DR in the infamous Soho neighbourhood, and is just round the corner from numerous tourist sights so easy to nip in if you're on holiday (and not far from Forbidden Planet's flagship store if you're on a comics-centric holiday!). You can visit their website here.














12 January 2025

Podcast: Marvel's Marvels

 Available from all your usual podcast providers, or listen here:  

 It's all well and good talking about comics, but they are obviously a visual medium - pretty pictures!  Therefore, to accompany each episode, we also do a little blog post with some images and other extras to give you some context as to what on earth we're talking about!   

On the show this week Mike and Lee discuss all time classic Marvels - with words by Kurt Busiek art by Alex Ross this 1994 series provides a stately review of the foundations of the Marvel universe from an everyman's perspective.

Plus what Mike and Lee have read this week, another addition to the Comics or Death Museum and further apologies from Mike, who is no longer recording in a shoe but is being pursued by an angry, screaming cat.

 

What Have We Read Recently?

Spider-Gwen: The Ghost Spider 1-3 (2024) published by Marvel Comics
Written by Stephanie Phillips
Art by Federica Mancin (additional art by Paolo Villanelli)
Lettering by VC's Ariana Maher
Cover art by Mark Brooks





Absolute Power (2024) published by DC Comics
Written by Mark Waid
Art by Dan Mora
Colouring by Alejandro Sánchez
Lettering by Ariana Maher




Marvel's Marvels

Marvels (1994) published by Marvel Comics

Written by Kurt Busiek
Art by Alex Ross
Lettering by Richard Starkings